The Murphy Monday Podcast
The Murphy Monday Podcast
The "Beverly Hills Cop IV" Episode
Join us on this special episode of the Murphy Monday Podcast as we dive into the magic and mayhem of Eddie Murphy’s latest film, "Beverly Hills Cop: Axel F." With comedian and pop culture enthusiast Mike Brown by our side, we dissect the fan service, action scenes, and whether this sequel is a genuine tribute or just another cash grab. Tune in to hear Mike’s animated comparisons to "Bad Boys 4" and his thoughts on the hilarious scene where Axel Foley seems immune to pepper spray.
But that's not all! We also uncover some of Eddie Murphy’s lesser-known ventures, like the bizarre flop "Best Defense" featuring Dudley Moore, and imagine a world where Murphy takes on roles in both "Beverly Hills Cop" and "Ghostbusters." We delve into the crossover potential with "Cobra" and how Murphy’s star power was nearly unmatched at the time. Our critique of the heavy-handed nostalgia and the refreshing dynamic between Axel Foley and his daughter offers a balanced view of the film, showcasing Murphy's growth and the evolution of his comedic genius.
Finally, we speculate on Eddie Murphy’s potential future roles and his ability to transition into more dramatic territory. From analyzing his comedic rhythm in classic scenes to envisioning him in a Marvel movie, we leave no stone unturned. This episode is packed with nostalgia, insights, and a celebration of Eddie Murphy’s lasting impact on Hollywood. Don’t miss out on our spirited discussion and the exciting announcement of an upcoming comedy special in Brooklyn.
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who've come from the cloth, people who've come from the cloth of eddie murphy who've had opinions okay gotcha a lot. I think a lot of the uh, a lot of not the feedback, but I think a lot of just one movie critics. It will be people who are like pop culture people, but like something, something like this is feels more monumental you know I mean like mean. This is Eddie Murph. This is Eddie outside again. This is huge.
Speaker 2:He's talking to people again. He's talking.
Speaker 1:I mean, bro, he was doing comedy before hip hop was a thing for real. You understand what I'm saying yeah. We just celebrated 50 years of hip-hop. Man's is outside still doing movies. Who else would have run like that?
Speaker 2:hey everybody, welcome to another episode of the mur Monday podcast, the only podcast that celebrates the life and career of Eddie Murphy. I'm your host, nigel A Fullerton. This week we're going to talk about Beverly Hills, cop 4. Yeah, I got my good friend Mike Brown. He's been on a podcast before. He's one-fourth of the Decepticomics, has a web series called Can't Stop, won't Stop, and he was a correspondent on Full Frontal with Samantha Bee. This is a good one, y'all. If you haven't already, please like, share and subscribe. Tell a Neddy Murphy fan to tell a Neddy Murphy fan that you love this podcast. And with all hearts and minds clear, let's just start this show. We've been waiting for a long time.
Speaker 3:Yes, we've been waiting for a long, long time. Good morning my neighbors.
Speaker 2:Yeah, jesus Christ, jesus christ, this is becoming very irritating hey everybody, welcome to another episode of the murphy monday podcast, the only podcast that celebrates the life and career of eddie murphy. I'm your host, nigel a fullerton with me today. Uh, this guy has been on this podcast before. He was on the episode of Tower Heist. Ladies and gentlemen, please give a round of applause for not that Mike Brown, but this Mike Brown. Everybody. Give a round of applause for Mike Brown, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what's up, I'm back. I'm back. I'm back, nigel, thank you for having me. Thank you for having me. Shout out to the Murphy Mob is what I'm going to call him for this episode. Shout out to the Murphy Mob that's what we do on the Murphy Mondays. You know what I mean. Let's do it.
Speaker 2:Nothing much, man. We just had Beverly Hills Cop Axel F come out. We were talking about doing this episode and we were like, all right, let's do it two weeks after the movie comes out, so at least more people have seen it. It's not like a spoiler type thing, but what I want to do with this episode is I want to basically mix Beverly Hills Cop the original with Beverly Hills Cop Axl F, try to do like a compare, contrast type thing, try to figure out what went wrong, what went great, you know whatever. Plus, let's get some of these critics. Let's find out what the critics are saying, what they're talking about. How did you feel about Beverly Hills cop Axl F?
Speaker 1:Um, in my totally biased opinion, greatest movie I've seen this year.
Speaker 1:It's not hard, it's not hard, it's not hard. Best movie I've seen all year. Um, I, I think, when I think it kind of started slow for me and it felt like a lot of fan service in a way of just like, hey, um, I think that they had a very uh, I think they had a a hard thing on uh, pause this whole sentence. They had a hard thing on their hands where they had to kind of basically make sure that they gave love to what came before it. But also, doing a movie like it, it felt like they cared, because this could have just been a cash grab. Like you're like, ok, we got Jay Brockheimer, we got Eddie Murphy, and let's just make this thing happen. Of course, netflix is like, yeah, how much I need? Just do it, we need original content, this is IP, whatever.
Speaker 1:But watching I was like, oh, they actually gave a damn. The action scenes were good, the humor was good. I was, you know, I was really surprised. It felt like a movie I would have seen in the theaters, like I wouldn't have paid money to see in the theaters. I think if I did, it probably would have been like um, and I still didn't see this, but I think it would have been like, uh, kind of like bad boys level, bad boys four level, where it's like big explosions and this and that and that and that and that. But I'm like, okay, they gave me a little helicopter scene. Okay, all right, they gave me a little action. Okay, they just shot up the house. I respect.
Speaker 2:I mean, there was helicopters, there were ice plows, there were little police cart.
Speaker 1:I'm with it. Little golf carts. I'm like, okay, y'all just make it, y'all gonna make it make sense, go ahead do it.
Speaker 2:I mean, this movie really swung for the fences. We even found out that Eddie Murphy had like a sincere immunity to pepper spray, which was wild.
Speaker 1:It was like the.
Speaker 2:Luke Cage, if you've ever been pepper sprayed, you can't still drive a police car no way, I'm not doing nothing.
Speaker 1:You pepper sprayed me. You might as well put me on a sandwich. I'm laying flat down it's over for me. It's over. Man's got pepper sprayed. It is like, like in the movie. How's it supposed to be in the movie? Uh, is he? Is he like?
Speaker 2:50 in the movie he's no, no, he has to be in the 60s there's no way.
Speaker 1:He's in his 50s. There's no way there's no way.
Speaker 2:If you were a cop in 84, let's, let's, let's. Let's point it out like this right, so he's a detective in 84, meaning that he was on the force for a little bit.
Speaker 1:We started at like 21 to 25.
Speaker 2:Let's say he's 25. Okay, he, even, though at the time he was 22,. But let's say he was 25. Then you're going 40 more years, which would make him almost 70. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1:It's so wild. It's like Eddie Murphy. The man started SNL at 19, right. Right At 19. So even if you were saying like, okay, maybe he's 19 at this point, let's say he was 19. It's 40 something years. Religion b is like 59 right tomorrow, like there's no way there's no way and it is.
Speaker 2:It's wild and like I say this all the time with the original beverly hills cop movie it was supposed to be for sylvester sloan, so when he went in they never changed the age range, they never changed anything else. So like you're going in as this young guy and everybody's like hey, remember high school, and like high school's only a couple years from him, but they're making it seem like he's so old. If you go, go back and watch it. That's what they're doing.
Speaker 1:Hey, remember high school, you mean July.
Speaker 3:When we graduated Great.
Speaker 1:What are you talking about? I still have credits to make up. It's fine it does, man. Yeah, it's like it's really interesting too. I know we're gonna get into more conversation, but like having eddie murphy get the role that was supposed to be for stallone and how different that movie would have been, and how different uh, I guess how different I think, the trajectory, even though it still was fine.
Speaker 1:but like ghostbusters is a movie, if any more than Ghostbusters, where it's just like the level of franchising the way it goes, because it's like with Ghostbusters you got a couple and they're still doing them now, right, I think if Eddie Murphy was in the first few Ghostbusters I think you would get more. They would just keep pumping it.
Speaker 2:There'll be a million ghostbusters right now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they would keep. They would keep doing it and it. It did be like a different time, like there's reverence but there'd be like a different type. And with uh beverly hills cop, if you had sebastian salone, I don't think that you get uh alex foley on netflix years later the same way like we're not. I mean, they did make other rockies, but nobody, you wouldn't get that, I think so.
Speaker 2:So two things. Number one, uh, the idea for beverly hills cop that they were doing kind of ended up in cobra. So everything that he wanted to do in beverly hills cop, it would end up in cobra. And we know there's no sequels of cobra, no, is it? That's that's one, I think. The second point, uh and I think I lost my train of thought on this one, but I think the second point was this movie in 84. If we watch this in 84, this movie comes out and eddie murphy was in ghostbusters yeah, how crazy would that be.
Speaker 1:That's, that's, that is. Uh, yeah, I don't think that there's any. I'm trying to think of something that's like recent, for, like the listeners at home, like recent, like how that's happened, maybe, um, um, damn nothing, because this eddie murphy star at that time was so bright. You know what I mean. The closest thing would be Jonathan Majors, before the fallout, probably.
Speaker 2:I would think so.
Speaker 1:Jonathan Majors before he was running New York City blocks. You know what I mean. It's like, oh, he's in Creed and he's an Ant-Man and he's about to be in all these movies. It's like that level of star power, he's about to kill everything. You know what I mean. But also I mean this is why you have a podcast for the man Right, Because he's such a huge, huge figure. He's done so much. He's a legend in the game.
Speaker 2:So it's like, even though he didn't have those two movies, even though he didn't do both, he can do one and be like yeah, I'll do a sequel to this whenever we feel like. But you know what's even crazier than that? Like so, if you look at, he did 48 hours trading places.
Speaker 2:Right, there's a movie in between trading places and bevels, cop, that nobody talks about it. It's called Best Defense. You just you didn't know about it. I'm going to send it to you. I'm going to send it to you because I have it. I have it. So there's a movie called Best Defense that bombed in the box office. Of course it did. It's 40 years later.
Speaker 1:I'm like there was a movie that bombed in the box office. Of course it did. It's 40 years later, I'm like there was a movie.
Speaker 2:So it was a movie with Dudley Moore. Dudley Moore is the star of this movie.
Speaker 1:Oh, of course. Oh, this shit bombed so hard, so what they did?
Speaker 2:was no disrespect. Yeah, what they did was they tried to put Eddie Murphy in it. So they sandwiched Eddie Murphy in the movie, because the movie is terrible and it takes place in two different years One is in 84 and one is in 82.
Speaker 1:So you mean to tell me that Eddie was doing multiversal shit before everybody else? Was on it, he was already doing it. He started the Marvel Universe. He gets all of that oh that's great Different timelines together.
Speaker 2:So but this is how bad the movie was. So Dully Moore is the one that's making a tank in 82. Eddie Murphy is driving the tank in 84. You're learning about all the crazy stuff that happened while they're for them to make the tank. Eddie Murphy is like dealing with all this stuff two years later.
Speaker 1:So so wait a minute. So this plots out so dumb, so wait a minute, that's the movie, that's what. So in making up the movie did they were like, hey, we're going to make a minute, that's the movie. So in making of the movie, they were like, hey, we're going to make a movie about this tank, right, and like building the tank. And then they were like, oh, this isn't good, let's write more.
Speaker 2:And then let's just add Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 1:Let's just add Eddie Murphy. How are we?
Speaker 3:going to make it, he's driving the tank.
Speaker 1:We're going to make it, he's driving a tank.
Speaker 2:You're going to make this make sense. I got to send this movie to you.
Speaker 1:You got to send me this movie.
Speaker 2:Oh, this one.
Speaker 1:But Bevelio's cop is so great that everybody forgot about Best Defense.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's what you got to do. You got to drop a banger. But what's funny is I looked for the movie best defense for like years, right. So I looked for it, for I think I had a best of eddie on saturday night live and I he said best defense. Now that's a movie that sucked real bad. This is when he hosted for like the first time after he left the show and then he said I got this new thing called beverly hills cop and everybody's like cheering and I'm like what, what is best defense? And I looked for it for years until, like, I found it like an old video like video shop or vhs wait.
Speaker 1:So you, you bought. So you mean it's not streaming anywhere, it's not streaming anywhere.
Speaker 2:I have the DVD. Actually I had it on tape and then I bought the DVD for this podcast because I knew I had to talk about it one day.
Speaker 1:Oh man, that is really.
Speaker 2:I still have it. Yeah, I mean, this is.
Speaker 1:This is. I'm looking on Amazon to see if it exists and it's like maybe, but there's no picture and there's no mention of eddie murphy. It's like it is like the dirty secret of the film industry. It's the picture like if you.
Speaker 2:It's a trope that happens in hollywood where they kept doing this eddie murphy right, so like in. On the poster for it it's Dudley Moore in like a tank and Dudley Moore is like the little face there and Eddie Murphy's big as like in a tank or something like that. And it's weird because Eddie Murphy's not the star of the movie, but they put him but they made him.
Speaker 3:But they made him Mm-hmm, yep, and they did the same, but they put him. But they're making him. Made him, yup. And.
Speaker 2:I did the same thing for Holy man. They did the same thing for uh, what's the other movie? There's a couple of movies that they do that with the Eddie Murphy is not the star of the movie, but they want you to think that he's the star.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's so far. I think that, yeah, and that's how it had to happen. Back then they're just like hey, we're not gonna really. We we have like a few leading black actors we could put in these movies, and if we get one that you know black community, we gonna put this motherfucker on posters.
Speaker 2:So y'all come but what's even crazy? What's even crazy the fact that you're saying that there were no big black stars besides billy d williams?
Speaker 2:yeah, and oj, maybe, oj, you know, wow, what that's, that's how far back that's what I'm, but that's what I'm saying like there was no other big, like action stars like that were african-american. There were none there were. They're like because we're leaving, think about it. We're leaving the black exploitation era. We're getting into now the 80s and if you look at the landscape, there weren't that many. We don't have one now. We don't really have one now, but at least it's not uncommon.
Speaker 1:I mean, we got black actors, but it's like you got like we've never really had other than Michael Jai White. We got black actors, but it's like you got like we've never really had other than Michael Jai White. We've never had an action. Maybe Will Smith. Will Smith is our action guy. Will Smith, yeah, will Smith.
Speaker 3:We got Will Smith.
Speaker 1:Sam Jackson, maybe, okay, anybody in Marvel, but I put that in a weird spot. But we don't have the black Jason Statham. You know what I mean Somebody who's like I do action. You know what I mean? I just do action. I'll mess around and do some comedy, but I do action. You want to fuck somebody up? Call me and I think and here's my conspiracy brain which is probably the first time it's going to come up on this podcast. It might come up a lot of other times Okay, they don't want us to be on screen fighting and being super masculine just like knocking people out.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. I remember the Chuck Norris jokes growing up. I remember that type of stuff. There's no black equivalent to that. And at that time, like the best defense time, if all you had was billy d williams and eddie it's two very different things because billy d williams will steal your girl in front of you, look at you in your eyes and say you know she's coming with me and for some reason you're like all right have a good time you just be okay with it.
Speaker 1:With eddie murphy he would, uh, play one of his many characters and just like laugh. You know also eddie's great bro, because I'm like, because I'm like he get his, he gets, he gets in his ability williams bag and like boomerang, you know what I mean he has. He has those romantic comedies where he gets in those bags, but then then he has the action comedies where he's shooting them up and just being funny.
Speaker 2:But the only other action star this is how wild this is the only other black action star in the 80s was Carl.
Speaker 1:Weathers, and you know what? Shout out to him. He's one of the greats, he's one of the ghosts. He's one of the ghosts.
Speaker 2:He's one of the ghosts. Yeah, shout out to him. He's one of the greats. He's one of the GOATs.
Speaker 1:He's one of the GOATs. He's one of the GOATs. He's one of the GOATs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's probably the only other one that I can think of off the top of my head.
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, yeah, he's the yeah. Rest in peace to Carl Weathers, man, definitely One of the greats, one of the absolute greats. Forever, carl brother, shout out.
Speaker 2:Definitely, definitely. So. I mean the story of Beverly Hills Cop Axl F. Axl Foley, played by Eddie Murphy, has returned to Beverly Hills after his daughter Jane and his old pal Billy Rosewood live are threatened. She and Axl team up with her ex-boyfriend Bobby Abbott and his old pal John tagger to uncover a conspiracy. Now that's the basis of this movie. Right and again, I like this movie. I really do, like I said it on the um episode before, like I really like this movie. Uh, if I had to give like a, a critique, like you know maybe what, what thing didn't work for me is the fact that they pushed the nostalgia a little too much for me, a little too much like, let me talk.
Speaker 1:I'm never gonna meet this motherfucker, eddie Murphy. They threw all the nostalgia.
Speaker 2:Come on man it was like it was desperate. It was so desperate like it felt like they didn't think the movie was going to work, like there's no way that you could tell me that same car that was shitty in 1984 is still around in 2024 no way.
Speaker 1:There's no way that the car is still there. It's even to think of as these cops working for like 40 plus years. And yes, that does happen on the force. It does happen, it does. But it's like if this person is a Sarge. When we first see this right, they're already a Sarge and you're working another 40 years.
Speaker 2:Another 40 years.
Speaker 1:You have already worked, however many years, to get to sergeant, you are not trying to like. Cops do want to retire, they want to serve, but they're like all right, I'm out after this. There's no reason for all of the same people being in there. You know what I mean. It was nice to see Bowkie, I don't know. I, yeah, surge, yeah, yeah, surge, it was it was great to see him.
Speaker 1:It was great to see him like I, I forgot about his character, right. Oh yeah, it was like. It was like going through. It was like going through, like seeing your old buddies, like, oh shit, what's up? Man like yeah I was like, oh, that's cool, but, um, I do like how I do like the, uh, the, the father daughter thing that they were trying to like push in the movie, and I did like I did too.
Speaker 2:I I thought that was very. It gave a different spin. I like the fact that she wasn't fast talking and wisecracking like eddie was when he was younger. I like the fact that she was you. You know she played her character Because, again, this doesn't work unless it's grounded in some kind of seriousness, right? So you can't have everybody being funny Like you have to have somebody be the serious person in this, and that's the part that I liked about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's like if you had the daughter play Black Tiffany Haddish. The movie's totally different.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, that would be horrible, that would be so bad. Oh my God, when you think about it, you're like, oh, when you look at you, it's like why?
Speaker 1:Well, and respect to comics, respect, whatever, but it would just be a different movie. The thing that I realized while I was watching it, because I realized I saw the actress in Zola.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I saw Zola.
Speaker 1:And she's also featured on Kendrick's latest album on we Cry Together. She's in the video and she did that, and so I was. It's like I was surprised to see her, because I feel like she kind of doesn't. Her work doesn't come across like my desk that much.
Speaker 2:Right, you know what I?
Speaker 1:mean Like it's not things I'm watching, but she did like such a good job and I feel like it's one we haven't seen, like Eddie on screen, like that we don't see him on screen as much that we don't see him on screen as much, but like he really, to me, made eddie step his game up a little more too, because she feels so based in real, like right, the way that she was, uh, portraying like being that, being that daughter from an, from an estranged father, and having those like issues are just like yo, you weren't around and like kind of just permeating everything, like, oh, you met. At the ex-boyfriend, it's like, yeah, she's not dating me because I'm a cop and she's not dating me because I'm a cop, because her father was a cop and all these things, right right. And watching him step into the play, I was like yo, this is my only critique, yo, real shit. My only critique is that this wasn't a series.
Speaker 1:I think they should have made it as a six-part series. It wouldn't have worked.
Speaker 2:And the only reason I say that is because of the pilot. Because of the pilot. The reason why that show was canceled was because Eddie didn't want to do it. The CBS show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the CBS show Mm-hmm, but was that the one that was?
Speaker 1:uh, uh like a few years ago, like like 2013, yeah, 2013, yeah, um. I I think that this is what I'm saying like if they, if jerry brockheimer them, did it like a netflix limited series like that, yeah, like this, like, instead of putting it as a movie, it would have arced it up like that, because, like that, that the like one episode is them like finding the house. Another episode is the getting arrested helicopter thing. Another episode is, you know, like just those major action moments. I'm like you just split the story and that action moment into each of those. Split the story and that action moment into each of those, and I think you give more time for eddie to do some uh to, to do some of the like, the kind of uh, uh character acting stuff that he does and to really play into, because I I was really interested in the backstory more than anything, I think a lot of people were, I think.
Speaker 2:I think I think they were like what happened? Why was this like this, like it never got resolved? And I mean, I think that's also a thing with families, cause I felt like she tapped into, like probably her dad wasn't around and stuff like that. So like but, like I said, maybe that's kind of what it was Like. It never gets resolved in real life. Why shouldn't be resolved in the movie? Yeah?
Speaker 1:yeah, and it's the thing like I don't even know if it's like just the. Yeah, like I wanted resolution, I wanted to see, uh, and it's just me, like I wanted to see more of like the moment where, uh, she, she kisses, uh, she kisses the detective and I'm forgetting guys, um, joseph gordon levitt, yeah, yeah levitt.
Speaker 2:So when he, when she uh, kisses, uh, she kisses the detective. And I'm forgetting, guys, um, joseph gordon levitt, yeah, yeah, levitt.
Speaker 1:So when he, when she, uh, kisses justin joseph gordon, levitt, it's like that was like a fun little moment. But I'm like, oh man, I wish we'd got a flashback of like how that was. Like him saying, oh, she's not dating me because my father's a cop or something right, how dope would have been to like see that scene play out on, just like on some dramatic tv show, miniseries, stuff, like you're seeing a flashback. You're not even doing shows like go, just start. Like it's like, uh, oh, you know what else they could have did some ill shit, bro.
Speaker 1:Like they could have had the showed scenes like show a full scene from one of the older movies, right, because she'd been like she might have been like born, or just like the mother would have been pregnant, whatever. And then just like, and then cutting to like the mother trying to get in touch or whatever, just like you know, I'm sick of this shit. I'm sick of this shit, ali, you know I'm sick of this shit. And then like her leaving and starting and so you see, like it's just like I just wanted so much more and I still want more after the movie and that's why I'm like, oh, this is why I really like the movie you know what somebody actually told me over the weekend.
Speaker 2:They said they asked me this question. They said who is her mother? And they asked the. But they asked the question. They said she's around 32. Right when was the last Beverly Hills cop? It was 94. So if you look at it, she's around 30 years old. He basically said Teresa Randall, who played the love interest in the third movie, could have been her mother huh oh, she has to be, and that's what?
Speaker 1:why are you not bringing back Teresa Randall?
Speaker 2:I don't think she wants to be acting anymore. I don't know, because she wasn't in Bad Boys 4 and she hasn't really been in a lot of stuff. She was in everything. Back in the day she was in Bad Boys 3 she was in Bad Boys 3, yeah, but I didn't.
Speaker 1:I didn't see for you, that's what she wasn't for. Yeah, she's not really. That's that's really interesting. It's like, oh, that's that's so good to be kind of, I guess, like grandmother, then like you're doing bad boys like are we doing a sequel? I'm coming back.
Speaker 1:We do another one x amount of years later, I'm coming back, but like it would be nice to see her you know what I mean if she would have been back, and it's also, you don't know contractual obligations, and just also like as a as a black actor, she might be like you know what I gave y'all so many years of my life um, um, um, like I have it right right
Speaker 1:um, but it would have been cool to even before, like you, you show us this lawyer right, or even show a lawyer and us not knowing that that's the daughter, whatever. And then the reveal comes from her meeting her mom, seeing her mom, like hey, mom, whatever.
Speaker 1:Like oh, oh um yeah it's it's so I just, I just like I, I still want more from it. And I think, um, well, how are the reviews looking? Because if it's so, I just, I just like I still want more from it. And I think, well, how are the reviews looking? Because if it's positive, then we're probably going to get some more. So I heard I've been very blacked out with everything.
Speaker 2:OK, so I've I've heard that there might be a little top five. It's, it's in the works. Five, it's, it's in the works. However, uh, rotten tomatoes who I always say rotten tomatoes does like a mixture of everybody's score, right. So the audience score score for this is 80, so it's positive. Um, the tomato reader for like all the you know, the regular critics and everything, is about 66, which is also favorable. This is it's favorable because it's above half. So what if it was under 50? It would be like you have really bad reviews so you're going.
Speaker 1:You're going 50, 50 and not 65, 100, a hundred, like, like, like high school, college types of like. You know what I mean. Like if you get a 65, it's like. I mean like if you get a 50, you failed, you get done, but you got a 65. They're like all right, you know more than you know, 15, more than half.
Speaker 2:It's. You know what it is. It's it's.
Speaker 1:I go by the audience score, and the only reason I do that is because the audience is actually telling me what's what and they probably either pay their money for it and they have a different connection to the stuff and for them it's just entertainment. For these people it's like a job, you know, so like let's see.
Speaker 2:So this guy ray for, uh, guzman I'm sorry, ray for guzman from newsday. His review is let me see if I can get the full run, full review. But his blurb is basically saying the heat is definitely off he couldn't wait to get that one out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that line set up uh jen cheney from uh new york magazine, jen Chaney from a New York magazine, and vulture, she says, despite his reliance on the familiar axle F, is actually largely a good time, so breezy and insistent on not taking itself too seriously that you can't even get mad when the dialogue occasionally sounds like it got pumped out of Chad GBT Damn. And that's a favorable review. People are giving it uh, two out of four.
Speaker 2:Some people are giving it uh, that guy Ray for guzman gave it a one at 1.5 out of four. Yeah, um, who else? Let's get some positive ones, if you are. Uh, this is carla renata from the kirby film critic. She says if you are a mega fan of the first bevelio's cop, you will be in hog heaven with this one. Not only are there numerous easter egg throwbacks with the soundtrack locations, famous scenes and dialogue, but we witness axel become rooted as a dad, which is which is something I liked about this. I like seeing the older axel. If he was coming in like he was in 1984, I I would have turned it off yeah, you would.
Speaker 1:You'd have threw it away.
Speaker 2:You'd be like, yeah yeah, I'm, I can't not. You can't make me think that a 63 year old man is still going to be 22 no, no, I no.
Speaker 1:And also don't try to de-age Eddie Murphy's face like they do in all these other movies.
Speaker 2:Coming to.
Speaker 1:America. Don't de-age him, bro, because you can't de-age his body.
Speaker 3:My man.
Speaker 1:He's a man. He's supposed to be behind the grill. In one scene of these movies, you know what I mean. He's got the body of the guy who got grandbabies like don't, don't, come on. He's still out here fighting and doing his thing. But respectfully, oh god, you know, I mean it is really it's. I really like the fact that it just like fatherhood was a part of the movie. It had to be it, just yeah, it has to.
Speaker 1:At one point it's like all right, well, what, where else do you go? Like, how many times are we just gonna see him be a cop? We, you can do that in the 80s, when the, the, the field are just like just movies. They're making films and everybody's doing action and action and action, and maybe some of the stories don't have to be that rooted. You're in 2024.
Speaker 1:You're in a time where people are arguing about if they're more than two genders, right. You're at a time where also, side note there was no, there was barely any gender type of gay or anything dealing with that in the movie. I knew that wasn't going to happen. Though that wasn't going to happen, though I I I thought that they were going to do like some kind of like joke and not like about lgbtq stuff, but I'm just like I think that it was going to be a theme or something was just going to come up somewhere and it didn't and I was like, oh, this does feel like an 80s movie. This feels like an 80s movie. They're not giving you nothing, they're just like yo action, action, joke, maybe, maybe, maybe, some, uh, maybe, maybe like the hot, like the hot girl in the thing, but you're not going to get any like politics or anything like that, and it was none of that in this movie.
Speaker 2:I thought it was going to be the other way around. I thought when he was talking to Fancy Dan at the place, I thought there was going to be like a herpes simplex 10 joke to be like a herpes simplex 10 joke, or yeah, oh man, oh man, you thought I was gonna go to us. I was waiting for some banana and tailpipe. Like I wanted to see what was gonna happen I, I it's.
Speaker 1:It's so funny because it's like eddie has earned this, this, this thing, where he doesn't have to go far for it and I don't think he's ever like gone far for the job. Like people could look back at like, like his stuff in, like raw, and be like, oh, I can't believe you said that, but like, yeah, but at the time that was just like tame as fuck, like that right, that's what it was then, right yeah. And now it's like because he's been able to look back and be like you know what, I wouldn't make jokes about that now. And so now he's like a mature guy and he's just living on like the like hey, this is, I want everybody to laugh, right, right, I got kids. I want everybody to laugh and that's it. It's interesting. I don't know how anybody could give that movie a one star, though. I think that's just racist. Well, here's the thing Like a lot of people.
Speaker 2:It's just racist. It's just racist now. It's just racist. You know like black comedy. I think what people were looking for and it depends on what your expectations are for the movie, right, like some people are looking for this movie to be, I guess, something different, like reinvent the wheel. Like, for instance, there's one guy from Style Weekly, chuck Bowen, easter eggs for fans, limp action, limper jokes and Murphy who looks great but couldn't be more bored with what he's having to walk through here.
Speaker 3:Hmm.
Speaker 1:I will say this I don't think the movie was challenging for him. It's not challenging, it's not at all. Like when the last time I was on the podcast and I picked tower heist yeah, I picked because I thought it was like a great movie and I thought it was something that I think at that time in eddie's career, it was more of a challenge for it for him to come back right because like he wasn't really doing anything. He was like okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna come back and do this movie. And people like, oh, a new eddie murphy movie.
Speaker 1:How is it gonna be? It's a new ip, it's a whole like okay, what is this gonna be? And I think they all just like blew that shit out the water right, right with this. I felt like it was so set up for him to win that it was like a victory lap. It was like the um. It was like waiting for the not like us video.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean we, we know, we know what we're gonna get. We're gonna get like a celebration of the, the main, of the main person in the movie, and this person's gonna win or whatever. Just gonna watch it, we're just gonna watch it happen. We're just curious on how it's gonna happen. Right, you know, um, and I I do think he's afforded that, but it was just like like man, I wish he was like a little more. He was like a little more challenged, because he's so great. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:It's like it's it's, it's twofold, because if you read, if you reread what I just said about this movie, that critique about this movie, it's the same critique for Beverly Hills Cop 3. If you think about it, pitiful easter eggs, limp action, limper jokes that's Beverly Hills Cop 3. So if you're trying to compare the two, like you're giving me this for this movie, that means that you never saw the other movies. To me, and I think.
Speaker 2:I think that's why mostly most of these reviews are favorable I think the people that have seen what three was versus what this is now, I think that, um, yeah, I just wanted it not to suck, and I think everybody else thought the same way. I was like it doesn't suck, it's not that bad. Now, there were some jokes that didn't fly like in the beginning. Honestly, I assume you didn't even like hockey.
Speaker 3:So this is.
Speaker 2:Wait, why would you assume that, that I didn't like hockey? How could you just assume that? Oh, because I'm just saying because.
Speaker 1:No, don't do that, I did not. I did not.
Speaker 2:You made an assumption based on this that I did not like.
Speaker 3:No, it's just that you never talk about hockey. Well, hockey happens to be in my blood. Shit, Axel. I am so sorry I feel awful. Look, I can do better.
Speaker 1:I will do better You're fucking with me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah those didn't really fly that much, but once he started getting into like hey, you know.
Speaker 1:It heats up. The heat is definitely on. It was just like I was watching, like, yeah, from that was like, okay, what are we doing here? But I'm like, oh no, he's heating up. He's heating up, okay. Right after that scene movie takes off, because I'm not gonna that first scene. I almost was like I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna make it.
Speaker 1:When I first started I was like I ain't gonna make it through this we have the hockey game I'm trying to get at, I'm trying to get it and then like also, uh, eddie's comedic rhythm is so defined but it's also so different from the rhythm that I think comedy movies now have. Right, like like Eddie, eddie has so much respect that he can find the words, he can find the rhythm and he and he's always firing off. Find the rhythm and he and he's always firing off, and I think that a lot of people who are in scenes with him kind of step back and let Eddie handle it. The one of the times where I see that didn't happen was with with Serge, with Serge, and shout out to this dude too, because I was very happy to see him Afion Crockett, where you see, afion was shooting, like you know that scene with them too. Right, one was elevating himself and eddie started elevating himself and I'm like this type of thing, I want to see the whole movie, even when, because, um, because you remember joseph, joseph gordon levitt wasn't really saying anything during that scene. Right, because you get two comedic titans go at each other.
Speaker 1:Side note to that Atheon Crockett movie. So in the theaters is really good. The hip hop story movie. Okay, see, to check it out.
Speaker 1:I was definitely checking out Like, even if it's just Amazon, it's just, it's just really good, really funny. It's like proud to do For them going back and forth and then the button of Joseph having the keys. I'm like if you can write this type of scene, if this type of scene could exist in this movie, every scene should be elevated to this level, definitely, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like all of y'all are kind of like starstruck for being with Eddie Murphy, which you should be Right, but then the next level of it is like yo, I got, I got to step my shit up, you know what.
Speaker 2:I think I think there is a trope that happens in Eddie Murphy movies where they put him against somebody that can't carry him.
Speaker 2:And it's happened in most of the movies that he's in. If you look at, if you look at 48 hours, if you look at Trading Places, and then if you look at his later work where you know, show a movie, like showtime with him and robert de niro, or uh, there's, there's a whole bunch where you have him against somebody else that can't carry their own weight. Holy man, for instance, like you have to, like eddie has to be the center, but he also has to play off somebody that knows how to set him up and and knows how to set him up, and they have to set him up as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's the thing. It's like classic crazy man, straight man, stuff, right, Right, and Eddie can play a great crazy man and he could do a great straight man right. And sometimes it has to be a balance between the both. Like there's one scene, like in that scene with Atheon, eddie kind of comes in as quote unquote crazy man with the hey brother, can you help me out Because like that's not who he is, whatever.
Speaker 2:Right right.
Speaker 1:When Atheon goes against, like brother, like I'm not going to lose my job, but your brother's, like he is the straight man in that situation.
Speaker 1:But the response that aphion gives kind of changes him into crazy man right right because, now he's like I ain't doing that and it's like now you got to deal with this irate person that's that's working and who's not gonna mess with you, and then he has to. Now he's like the. He kind of comes to straight me, like wait, why wouldn't you help me out? And just like that dynamic starts happening. You don't get that anywhere else. Well, um, I think like well, serge was another one, like when he came in. I think like he also has such uh, so many great like comedic chops that he would, he would like pull stuff out of, like out of eddie. Um, it was nice to see nassim uh pedrana. She had some good lines in there, um, when she was like going to house, but I also haven't it. I was also just like like okay, oh, she's here, okay, cool, but I think I think it was like a bait and switch.
Speaker 2:Like you, you're giving surge, but then you got, yeah, like like I was like what is going on? Why did you just do this to me? I want Bronson Pinchot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I want Bronson, I want Bronson. I was like. I was just like. I was like, oh, I know they like going to the house or whatever. I was just like, oh, are they going to go? Like, is this going to be like a club scene or something? I'm just like the, the, what was it? Was it something? Which? Which movie? It was when Eddie Murphy was trying to get into the restaurant and he told the maitre d' that he was trying to speak to somebody and he just like went full. He just like went full gay, but that was the first one, that's, victor Maitland.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but Victor Maitland and from what I heard of that scene was like that was something that he kind of just made on the fly. He just kind of went with it right and I'm like that is such a funny scene, but it's also like it's not disparaging to gay people at all. So it's just like oh, is Eddie going to go into that bag at all in this movie, or is that something that's going to happen just because he's done it before and it was funny and you can watch it again and be like, oh, this isn't even this. This right here is just like straight up comedy. This isn't like punching down, this is like a kind of a awkward situation for the host, for the maitre d' that's it Right. And I'm like maybe we get some of that.
Speaker 1:When I see Bronson, I'm like, ok, we're going to go into a weird. We, okay, we're going to go into a weird. We're going to go into a weird we might go into like a Beverly Hills party, we might go left. And then I seen the same and I'm like, oh, okay, cool, and then she just had they're not going to, yeah. So I'm like are we not doing, are we really just doing a house tour Bet?
Speaker 2:That's it. They're not going to. That's not. That's not like I. I knew that wasn't going to happen. I knew, in the climate that we're in right now, that's not gonna happen. You're not gonna get those jokes, but I did like and this is one of the things that I did like from the movie like I did like the fact that um eddie's, I guess, quips or his fast talking did not work in certain situations.
Speaker 3:Good evening. May I have your member number sir?
Speaker 1:Yes, my member number is LAF Day Fire Marshal 17484. And this is a surprise inspection. How's that fit, Chief Fancy Dan? What did you say?
Speaker 3:your name was Because Chief Sullivan was here recently.
Speaker 1:You know, if you keep up that attitude, I'll shut this whole place down right now.
Speaker 3:You know what? Could I see your badge again?
Speaker 2:No, actually you can't, because I don't know you and a lot of badges have been getting snatched in this area and I'm not going to take my badge out.
Speaker 3:Ok, I'm going to go and call Chief. Sullivan. You can go ahead and call Sullivan, I don't think he'd answer. Answer, though, given he just retired, by which I mean he was fired for being drunk on the job. Oh, I had no idea he urinated on the wall.
Speaker 3:We've done our best to keep it out of the press. Dorothy harabick, special liaison to the mayor's office. How are you well good? Can you tell me the maximum capacity upstairs 85, 85 persons 85 people very good. So if we were to go upstairs right now, there wouldn't be more than 85 people you know 86, would that be up there? No, no, then you have nothing to worry about. If I were you, I'd let us go up there, take a head, count, check out the fire extinguishers, and we'll be on our very way.
Speaker 2:I like that it failed. I'd like that it failed, like in the scene where they were talking about Fancy Dan and I thought, okay, he's going to get past this and his daughter actually backed him up Seriously Not jokingly, but seriously. She backed him up and I was like I like this when he went to the Beverly Hill Palm Hotel.
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Speaker 2:And I was wondering. I uh, yes, I'm nigel apple bottom with bone appetizer and I was wondering we're gonna to hell with this.
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Speaker 1:I love beverly hills you thought that he was going to game them, but he couldn't because again he's 63 years old, and that's the thing I did, like they didn't shy away from the age and the growth of it. You know what I mean. So, in that sense, for all the critics who were like, oh, it's just more of the same, I'm like, yeah, I wasn't watching the same movie with the same lens.
Speaker 1:All of that other stuff flew over your head because in order for some of those plot points to happen, he needed to fail, like going in and seeing Luz Guzman in the club where he was singing and he's clapping and Joseph was like yo don't do it Right.
Speaker 1:It's like you see it automatically. It's like now we got to take them to the side and even him being like, hey, you mess this up, right, coming from your family, it's like, yeah, you need those kind of stakes in the 80s. You want to just laugh and move forward with it, right, and then like, now we need real stakes, bro. Like shit is real outside. I want it a little real in the movie. I know this story ain't real. I want to feel real consequences. You know what I mean. Um, right, and we could be spoiler filled. Now that like, right, okay, yeah, yeah, we can. Yeah, I want to see alex have at the end of the movie, just like be, be in a hospital, just like, be. Like, hey, I'm healing up, or whatever, just like. And you're like, yeah, he's an older dude and we also don't know.
Speaker 1:It's like also, they didn't really give us backstory. What was he gonna go? Just like, okay, now he's just back in detroit. At the end of the movie, it's like you know what is he going back to you? Just like god, like. And he's like, but like, what is he gonna do? You need to have him somewhere, you know. Have him with his daughter. Is he gonna be a great father.
Speaker 2:We don't know really is he gonna stay in beverly hills?
Speaker 1:who knows? Who knows? I mean, like, if they want to make another, they want to make another half of money, whatever bag they just got for this. If they want another one, they already pumping that script out.
Speaker 2:I'm glad that you said bag, because there are some critics that say that this was a cash grab, and I think they would be right think so, yeah, you can, you can have a crash, a cash grab, but still have respect for what you're doing.
Speaker 1:I think I think legit at this point about my view. A lot of stuff in industry is like you're, most of this stuff is happening for money, right? So if you're eddie murphy and okay, two things, you're eddie murphy and you're just like, all right, well, hey, jerry, you want to do another one of these we haven't done in a minute, all right, how, if we do it? How do we do it? Also remember, um, this is also part of eddie murphy productions too, right, right, so he's like hey, I'm putting my.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm putting my name on it like the other ones.
Speaker 1:I'm putting my name on it, so let's see if it, if it works right. Um, I think the response that he probably got from coming to america probably opened his eyes a little bit, because I think that one wasn't as well received as he thought it was going to be and it was like the same kind of like I feel, like nostalgia play. But coming to america is such a classic where it's like don't continue that story, like I get what you did, but you didn't need to right, definitely. It's like, oh, y'all already franchised, so this is not like doing something sacrilegious. So the bag is there, y'all could have got. They could have got this bag with Amazon. They could have got this bag with Apple, with HBO, as an original, anybody. They could have put this out in theaters if they wanted to, but they knew people might not go to the theaters to see this.
Speaker 2:I think people would have.
Speaker 1:I see this, I I think people would have, I think the same way they went to go see bad boys four. I think bad boy, I think bad boys four is different just because they had bad boys three, you see I got you but you didn't see bad boys four, and I'm telling you yeah, I, I and I heard bad boys. Four is crazy. I heard, I heard they got it back on track.
Speaker 2:I heard this one they got it back it's, it's the same, like I feel that these are the same movies. I'm not lying to you. I think, two things. I think with this movie Bad Littles, cop, axl F right, I think that nostalgia for everyone is going to make them come. Same thing with Coming to America. If we didn't see it like how we saw it on Amazon, I guarantee you the first week's sales would have been big until they found out that the movie wasn't that great.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. Second week's sales would have been trash.
Speaker 2:Second, week's sales would have been trash. But it's not a blockbuster film anymore because again, this is an IP from 40 years ago.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's another reason why I'm like I don't think that it would, that you could. They would have put this like the only bag was a streaming bag.
Speaker 2:But the same. You could say the same thing for Beetlejuice 2.
Speaker 1:The only thing I think is different for Beetlejuice is the Beetlejuice, which I think it would have been better as a streaming, but I think they're just going to double back. You have to put something like that in the theaters first, because there's so much CGI, there's so much CGI and just different worlds and all that. So it's like, if you're putting money into that, it's like no, put this one out in the theaters, because you might have people who saw the movie as kids, right, and just remember the movie. And now we're adults and have kids who are the age that they were when they saw it and they're watching it like that, and this movie is just like now, just, it's just a film to them, right. And if you don't see it, you double back on the bag. When it comes to like hbo or wherever it does, or max, whatever, um in the next, in the next, like by like, by early next year, end of the year, some shit, right, I think that's the move. To do it for beverly hills cop is like, I think, for eddie, because he's such like I don't, I feel this, he him by himself.
Speaker 1:Another thing again I was on a Tower Heist episode. Tower Heist had a bunch of people in it. Like, at that point they made it an ensemble cast surrounded by Eddie. Right, this is like hey, eddie, and all the people from the 80s, taylor Page and a little Nas X song. I don't think they knew what they were doing. They were just like, hey, we're just going to get this bag, we need a song. Hey, can you license that mary j blige song for us? Can you do this? Can't do this, cool bet, bet, we just gonna put and that's the whole movie. That that's it. I, um, and again, I, I love and I respect eddie murphy. Um, I think that, yeah, and also just like putting something from the 80s on it's eddie murphy.
Speaker 1:It's not like transformers where, like they have like uh toys and all this stuff that like there's not a lot of uh uh, there's not a lot of ip from the 80s that you can bring out today, that would hit and people would want to go see for real. Was Beetle just the 80s or the 90s? 80s, that was the 80s, right, yeah, and I well, and I also think it's a thing with Michael Keaton. The way he's kind of been moving through the industry a little bit is like he he was already like a legend and he still was outside Like he did bird man, he did all these other things I kind of like you also have Tim Burton so and he's.
Speaker 1:you know what I'm saying. So it's like that's that. To me that's a no-brainer. Jerry Brockheimer still one of those guys, Right, Of course, but Eddie, to carry that on his back, Like Eddie, not doing like press for real Well it's.
Speaker 2:You know what it's hard. And it's difficult to do this because when you think about Eddie Murphy and everybody says, oh, I like his work from the 80s. Well, what did you like from the 80s? Oh, I loved him as Beverly Hills cop. I like the Axel Foley Like. I like this. Uh, I love coming to America. I wish he would do more characters like that. I wish he would do more of those movies. And that's how you get these movies like a coming to America, like a Beverly Hills cop.
Speaker 2:He like I don't think that he really, in his gut, wants to redo this stuff again. He's hearing from people saying, hey, why don't you do that? His Netflix deal, where he's supposed to be doing stand-up, right, his Netflix deal. The reason why they gave him all that money is because, hey, can we get you to do another Beverly Hills Cop movie, strictly for Netflix? Because we know he wasn't getting stand-up Even if he tried, even if he said, hey, I'm going to do a documentary and a one-man show. Yeah, that's an idea of somebody that's sitting on a couch not doing stand-up. That's the idea. But we know what we can get you to do is hey, can you do this Beverly Hills Cop thing for us real quick. That's all I need you to do.
Speaker 1:Can you do nutty nutty professor phd, can you do? I'm trying to picture what would like a blockbuster eddie murphy movie be right now it.
Speaker 2:You cannot. It's hard to do because eddie is 63 years old we still see him, we still see him as young.
Speaker 2:the problem is is that we get older but we still see him as young. The problem is is that we get older but we still see him as young, and we still see him as he was when he was 22, rather than see him as the older man he is. Because, if you look at it, a lot of comedic actors they start off in comedy but they venture into dramatic roles. You see that with Bill Murray, you see that with Michael Keaton, you see that with Tom Hanks, you see that with every other actor. They don't go back and forth between comedy, except for Michael Keaton, you know, being an exception. But if you look at a Jim Carrey, if you look at it goes back and forth.
Speaker 2:Back and forth.
Speaker 1:He hasn't done comedy, he hasn't done comedy. Well, the last comedy thing he did was kick ass too. Yeah, yeah, oh shit um the sonic the hedgehog is dr robot.
Speaker 2:Oh you die.
Speaker 1:Okay, sign the hedgehog, but that also is not like. I mean, it's jim carrey, so respect it's, it's, but it's not like. It's not like oh my god like when he did him, when he did like the mask, right, right, right, that's like a great movie and he had a lot of comedic elements in there and it was like drama, but it was like a good, it was a. It was a weighted story but it was very funny and all these other things I think like for, for. Okay, all right, hold something like what. Like if you put eddie right now in like a marvel movie, not as a superhero, okay, like, kind of like how cars whitaker was in um black panther like advisors or something like that, like you need to have
Speaker 1:you need to have eddie as like, like, uh, starring with Eddie Murphy. He needs to play a legit comedy relief character. You need to put him as and I think Michael B Jordan is too old for this, but it'd be something of like Eddie is Michael B Jordan's uncle, because you need to have something to counteract that age factor that we were talking about like, oh, you will always look at him as kind of like, not like young, but you've seen him as young and kind of like ageless and timeless. And then it's like no, now he's an older guy and it's like well, we can't keep putting him in the roles that he made himself on as a younger person, right, uh, like I feel yeah, I feel like I'm gonna pitch the meeting for eddie right now like this is gonna get back to him like yo, how can?
Speaker 2:I, I would like to. I would like to see him basically play a character like an uncle or bring bring those uh, mighty sharp characters to another movie. I think that would break something up. Or do a movie where he's not the star, however he is. I guess different characters in the movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean like, yeah, it's like Robert Downey Jr is doing something like that with I think like the Sympathizer, like something like with that, but I think like the sympathizer, like he played like different versions of whatever, but it's like Robert Downey Jr is having fun. That's what I want. I just want to see Eddie Murphy have fun again on screen.
Speaker 1:I think he was having fun in Axl F. Like in general the whole movie, it looked like he was having a good time, but again it didn't look like he was being challenged. And, like in general the whole movie, looked like he was having a good time, but again it didn't look like he was being challenged. And I think eddie, from the way I understand him and I see him, I think when he is acting and being challenged that's when you're going to get the best eddie, because I think he's so used to not being challenged and just being great it might be boring to him. So it's like you gotta kind of like give him something.
Speaker 2:I I don't. I mean, I've been hearing him talk about doing a sequel to it's a mad, mad world, um, which, uh, you've seen the movie. No, I watched the movie. Uh, I think I watched the movie around the pandemic. Um, somebody had referred me to watching the you know older guy. He was like oh, this was.
Speaker 1:It's like one of those classics that I kept hearing about, like, oh, you're gonna do I've watched it and actually it's kind of like how?
Speaker 2:it's kind of like cannonball run um mad money, what's the other one? Uh, it's kind of like tower heist as well. It's basically they're all racing to to make some money. I forget the uh, was it rat race? Rat race. It's kind of like rat race. If you ever seen that movie, I know these all bad movies that I'm but I think rat race.
Speaker 2:rat race is the one with whoopi goldberg, cuba jr and a couple other people are in the movie and it's more like those than anything else. And I'm like I can't see Eddie Murphy, tracy Morgan and, let's say, kevin Hart and all these other people that he's going to put in the movie. I don't know if I would want to see that. I don't. I don't know if I I don't know if that's the thing that I want to see. And then you got to think about it like this what's the last big?
Speaker 1:comedic movie that we've seen in a long time, the last big one, yeah, yeah, it's really hard, like I would say like the one that like sticks out to me is me is like is either Hangover or Superbad, but I know Bridesmaids was after that and I think that like really made a big splash, but like, in a sense of like just a straight up and down comedy movie. That's not what's going at the box office right now. That's like not like. I don't even think the Oscars have a category for best comedy they never have.
Speaker 2:But I think that, yeah, I think the issue is that for us, and especially with a movie like Beverly Hills, cop Axel F, we criticize shit so much that people are afraid to do comedy movies you know what they could do.
Speaker 1:What they could do Harlem Nights, they could, but and don't do it on some pandering or trying to pay homage to the original, none of that. Just do Harlem Nights. Here's the problem. I mean I know the comedy's changed because it'd be like Harlem Nights. Here's the problem. I mean I know the comedy's changed because it'd be like Harlem Nights starring DC, young Fly and oh God, that'd be so hard Brewski.
Speaker 2:Oh God, that sounds like House Party.
Speaker 1:Exactly With Eddie Burfish. You know the anchor together. So the thing is like you want something kind of like in. You want, like the juggernaut to come, like if you're going to be real about it, right, you want to have Mike Epps in the movie. Like I would love a movie. I would love a movie. Here we go. Quick pitch, quick pitch. Thought about it. It's called the Cook-Off. Two neighbors are battling to have the better cookout, and the neighbors are Eddie Murphy and Mike Epps.
Speaker 2:That sounds like the blackest movie ever.
Speaker 1:Ever, It'd be the funniest that you've ever done. It'd be so fucking funny. It's the blackest movie. The Cook It'd be the funniest that you ever thought. It'd be so fucking funny. It's the blackest movie the cook. The cook are you kidding me? You know how much tickets are selling already.
Speaker 2:I can see the trailer now. They got some good ribs.
Speaker 1:You taste his ribs. He touched my ribs. You know how much ripping would make it into the movie. He touched my ribs. You know how much ripping would make it into the movie. Get up a little bit, it's not to the rip.
Speaker 1:And then, and then and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then. Not just slapstick humor, but in that right, because even saying it's like okay, so in that now you have Eddie Murphy's family, who's going to be in the family, right?
Speaker 1:And you're like okay, you put Jermaine Fowler and Shorty from I'm forgetting her name, but Shorty, that was in, get Out. Okay, she can do comedic stuff. She's there and that's like maybe like the nephew, and he comes with the new girlfriend, like so there's like all these little dynamic things happening in this house and then so maybe you have the uh, oh, this is it. Now this becomes a whole thing about um society where it's like in one house you have like the kind of like the uppity, uppityity, negro, like the woke, whatever type of house and this house that people are like nah, we bring, like this is like the hood, they come, they come from either like out of the hood or down south or something. It's like oh, this is culture coming in. So you have that clash.
Speaker 1:And so, you know, in Mike's house you have like Miss Pat, you know, might have like uh, uh, uh, just, and even me, me saying it is just because of it's, it's, it would probably make sense, but um, but I don't want to say him, but um, like I was like charleston white, but like I don't want charleston white in this I want him, no, no no, I'm like who, oh, you put uh, and look, I think I do think dc young fly can act and I think, like if he's in it he'd be in it.
Speaker 1:But I'm like you have to have like the grace, or it's not going to be one of those things where, like dc young flies in it and everyone's building like, and dc young fly, like I think they need somebody who would also like respect, like, oh, I'm with legends, I gotta bring my a game, but I'm also with these legends, right, right, right. That would be a time where, you see, you would see Eddie Murphy being older and you'd see him being challenged by everybody on the cast, like they all have reverence and stuff. But it's like, hey, we got to make, we going to make a fucking banger. We need to make another black classic.
Speaker 2:I would love a either a TV show or a movie with Miss Pat and Eddie Murphy. Okay, why? Either a TV show or a movie with Miss Pat and Eddie Murphy? I think I would love that. And the reason why I say that? Because it gives me vibes of Della Reese and Red Fox.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's the only thing Are they working together?
Speaker 2:Are they going against each other?
Speaker 1:I want that. Oh, that's really funny. It's like what if they were going through a divorce or something.
Speaker 2:Something yeah.
Speaker 1:Or just fighting over something really trivial. But something like that would be something if it's just comedy and it's good I think that be something if it's just comedy.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:Just, and it gets, and it's good. I think that's something that's like a box office smash. Okay, you know, I think they tried, like the tried, to do it with the, with Jonah Hill, with the, with the, with the you people, yeah, you people was. I sold the vision. I saw what he was trying to take the culture. I saw what he was trying to take the culture. We didn't go there, but I saw it.
Speaker 2:Kenya Barris man, I don't know and even like with Kenya.
Speaker 1:It's like because Kenya also did, he did the script for Coming to America 2 right.
Speaker 2:He did the script for Coming to America 2, right, he did the script for Coming to America. He also did the script for Barbershop 3. Come on.
Speaker 1:I'm writing my ass off. I'm writing my ass off this year. This is bullshit. If I can't get mad, I'm going to give it to somebody. I'm going to be like, hey, we'll pack.
Speaker 2:That's all you got to do.
Speaker 1:Anybody want to get this made? Hey, jordan Peele, what you doing? I think I can read this real quick. I think that I really enjoyed Beverly Hills Cop. My only critique is that I I wish there was just more more of it, just so it could go like in depth with the stories. Um, because it's like you know, you don't see eddie outside that much, and so it's like when you see him it's like it's a treat. You know, right, it's like I just want to see, I want to see more of that and just like more of that world. Um, I do think I do think it was like a legit money grab, but I think they had care for what they did. It wasn't like yo, I'm just gonna do a money grab, just make the shit and then I'm out and yeah, that's. Those are my overall thoughts on this cool.
Speaker 2:Well, before we wrap this up, I know it's been a minute since you've been on here, so I got to ask you what are your top five Eddie Murphy movies.
Speaker 1:Oh man, All right, Interesting, Interesting. I wonder if this is going to be the same, the same list that I gave last time. Bowfinger Tower Heist. In no order Bowfinger Tower Heist Nutty Professor, I'll put.
Speaker 3:Axl F in this now why?
Speaker 1:You know, it's just nice to see that he still got it. It's more of what it represented he still got. It's more of like what it represented like yo, he still got it. The movie is cool, um, and also seeing like all of the other players from the old movies come back and this is nice, um, but I did love that. I did really like the dynamic of him having a daughter, because it did, I just like that beast. I was like, oh, oh, I really like, just really liked it, like I.
Speaker 1:I haven't, um, a lot of times I think I've seen Eddie on, uh, on like screen and he had a kid. The kid was always like a young kid. You know what I mean Like oh, it'll be okay, and all this stuff. And it's like, now he has a daughter who is like no, so what? You, you having sex, or like, you know, like, just like a daughter who's like not his shit, or or just like I'm like that's what I want to see. It's like I, I, I don't want things to be just like totally easy for eddie in in any character, in any character, right, um, so what would my last one be? Oh, this is, this is, uh, I don't want to say this one, but it's on my mind, um, I think it's like what's like a thousand words or some shit.
Speaker 2:Oh why a thousand words. I got a. Why?
Speaker 1:all right, that's a yeah, that's right. That's right. It's the murphy mob. That's right, we going back, that's right. Um, I think, um, you know what, I just like the. It was one of the movies that I think he was in a time where he wanted to make movies that, like you know, his, his kind of like, he was wanting to make movies that his kids could watch and that were like kind of saying something. But that one is like the message of him. Was it because he wasn't like quote, unquote, quiet, most of the movie, but like he, couldn't.
Speaker 2:It was more physical comedy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was more physical comedy and it's like that's something that I think, comedically you don't really see as much of. And for me, one of one of my favorite physical comments are you talking about Jim Carrey of? And for me, one of my favorite physical comments, when you were talking about Jim Carrey, right, and the things that he's done, like fire marshal, like all that stuff, having Eddie show that he can do that is really like hey, this is like a good medley of the things that he can do.
Speaker 2:Okay, fine Okay well. Like. This is the final thing. I want to ask you, Cause I just thought about this while we're talking Um a good friend, Darian Sills Evans, hit me this weekend and he was like he was like yo. I think I like this movie more than I like Beverly Hills cop too. That's what he said. He said if he had to do it it would be Beverly Hills Cop, beverly Hills Cop Axl F, beverly Hills Cop 2, beverly Hills Cop 3.
Speaker 1:Good, good movie. It's good. Okay, where do I rank this Beverly Hills Cop? Yeah, I would probably put it in. I'd probably put it in third. I'd probably do Beverly Hills Cop one two than this one. Okay, I don't know if I would put it up better than I don't know if I would put it above two, but I think it's also like when I'm seeing it you know what I mean like okay, like as an adult and have lived life and like you know you have like my own, like family shit of like you know my dad being around and and like all that and understanding it. It's like, oh, seeing that in an eddie murphy movie is trippy you know what I?
Speaker 1:Like I don't think there's a lot of movies with like those type of like really grounding themes in it, for Eddie, you know. So that's why I'm just like, oh, that stands out to me, but with that the action was good. The action was good. Like yo, shout out to the extras in the movie.
Speaker 1:Oh like his daughter like his daughter no, not the door. Like the extras who are running from the, from the uh helicopter blades and all this stuff. Even they will believe. I'm like, yeah, this is great, this is like it. It felt like I was at home, but it felt like I was watching a movie in the theaters. It felt like the way it was shot. I was like, oh yeah, this is an action, fucking movie. So, yeah, I think I put it in the top three and if you disagree, you're just like a white critic who has something against Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 2:I'll leave it right there. Thank you again for doing this episode. If you haven't already, please like, share and subscribe. Tell an Eddie Murphy fan to tell an Eddie Murphy fan that you love this podcast, and do you have anything you want to promote?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can find all my stuff at my website. Yo, Mike Brown, and if you happen to be in the New York area, on July 27th I will be hosting at the gutter in Brooklyn. It is my boy, Gordon Baker bone. He is doing his special taping. Come out to that, it's going to be great. The new material that, like I've, I've been watching him work on some of this new stuff like the past year and a half it is. It is stupid. It is like he had. He has some bits on that. I'm jealous that I didn't think of it.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. You people are like you, motherfucking ass fuckers. But yeah, july 27. The gutter, bk, come see me host for Gordon Baker Bowen. Definitely, definitely and with all BK come see me host for Gordon Vacabone.
Speaker 2:All right, definitely, definitely, and with all hearts and minds clear, let's end this show. Had to drop a bomb on him.
Speaker 1:Hi Flex Hit the bomb, bomb bitch that's hilarious.